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*Does anybody have lyrics for Cocteau Twins songs?
*Who is this Harold Budd guy who appeared on The Moon and the Melodies?
*When did the Cocteau Twins leave 4AD? Why did they split up?
*Where did the name "Cocteau Twins" come from?
*Did the Cocteau Twins really record music for a Fruitopia commercial?
*Has Elizabeth Frazer sung solo? Collaborated with people other than the Cocteau Twins?
*There are so many Cocteau Twins and Dead Can Dance albums, where do I start?
*What is the name of the hidden fifth track on the vinyl version of the Half-Life EP by Pale Saints?
*Who originally wrote/performed the song Blue Flower, which both Mazzy Star and Pale Saints have covered?
*How do you pronounce Miki Berenyi's name?
*Will This Mortal Coil ever release another album?
*What's that dance song that samples This Mortal Coil's Song To the Siren (repeating the line "Did I dream you dreamed about me")?
*Who are Cindytalk and what do they sound like?
*What about Macbeth - what's the connection between them and Cindytalk or This Mortal Coil?
*What is the Infinite Guitar that Michael Brook uses?
*My copy of HNIA's Home Is In Your Head ends really abruptly, as though the tape ran out or something. Is this intentional?
*What are the differences between the UK and US releases of His Name is Alive's Mouth by Mouth?
*What is ESP-Summer, ESP-Continent,... ?
*Is M/A/R/R/S' Pump Up the Volume available on CD?
*What Japanese-only 4AD releases are there?
*What is on the Slowdive compilation Blue Day?
*Didn't some of the people in The Moon Seven Times use to be in the band Area?
*What's the difference between the Lilys and the Lillies?
*What is the name of the extra track on the Lilys' CD In the Presence of Nothing?
 
Does anybody have lyrics for Cocteau Twins songs?
Only Elizabeth Fraser, and she's not telling. (Although there are some hilarious attempts at transcriptions available on the Cocteau Twins Web page). All we know for sure are some couplets that appear on the LPs of Garlands and Head Over Heels:

Things from the forest die here / But I don't /
Dead forest things are offered here / But I'm not

Garlands evergreen / Forget-me-not wreaths /
Chaplets see me drugged / I could die in the rosary

When Mama was moth / I took bulb form

Glass candle grenades are popping / Still we'll not keel over

Tinderbox of a heart / Left a shell is all

Fig up my love paramour / Ooze out and away onehow

(Note that the last line became a song title on The Moon and the Melodies, as did "bloody and blunt", a phrase from Musette and Drums. Only fitting, since "head over heels" itself was a line from the song All But An Ark Lark from the Lullabies EP!).

*Lyrics from www.cocteautwins.com

[Garlands]
Garlands

[Head Over Heels]
Head Over Heels

 
Who is this Harold Budd guy who appeared on The Moon and the Melodies?
Harold Budd is a composer and pianist (and colleague of Brian Eno) who works mainly in the genre of ambient music: sparse, meditative soundscapes that avoid the easy sentimentalism of "new age". If you enjoyed the quieter piano-based moments of The Moon..., particularly Memory Gongs, try Budd's album Lovely Thunder, which includes an alternate version of that song, entitled Flowered Knife Shadows. Also recommended are his earlier albums The Pearl and The Plateaux of Mirror, both collaborations with Brian Eno. His 1989 album The White Arcades was recorded in the Cocteau Twins' studio, September Sound; unfortunately, its sound becomes too treacly for my ears. Your mileage may vary.

*4ad-l reviews of The Moon and The Melodies

*4ad-l discussions on Harold Budd

[The
Moon and the Melodies]
The Moon and the Melodies

 
When did the Cocteau Twins leave 4AD? Why did they split up?
They left for Fontana in 1991. They said they were tired of being pigeonholed as "a 4AD band". They left Fontana after releasing two albums, "Four Calendar Cafe" and "Milk and Kisses" to produce their new album on their own label, Bella Union. But the band split up in February 1998 the album unfinished.

In April 1998 Simon Raymonde clarified the situation somewhat. He said "we have no plans to make any more records together as [Cocteau Twins]...we have 3/4 of a record finished but it will not see the light of day for some time yet i fear. robin & I have a small independent label where will continue to find eclectic and interesting bands to release as well as be a platform for our own music. liz is planning on a pop career i think."

For more information on what the ex-members of the Cocteau twins have been up to, please have a look at the whatever happened to... part of this FAQ.

*Bellaunion

*4ad-l discussions on quitting Fontana

*4ad-l discussions on quitting full stop

*An interview from 1996

[Four
Calendar Cafe]
Four Calendar Cafe

[Milk and
Kisses]
Milk and Kisses

 
Where did the name "Cocteau Twins" come from?
That fun-loving Robin Guthrie has said misleading things about it in some interviews, but the actual truth is that it was the name of an early Simple Minds song. No one having been able to find a song of this name on any Simple Minds record, Brant Nelson finally asked Robin himself and was told that it's on the first SM album, Life In a Day, with different lyrics and the title No Cure.

Elizabeth Reynolds:

" I always assumed that the name 'Cocteau Twins' was a reference to Jean Cocteau's novel Les Enfants Terribles. The book is about two orphaned adolescents - a brother and sister - who live in their own insular, dreamlike world. It certainly seems to fit.

I've heard Liz and Robin's explanation about their gay friends who liked Jean Cocteau, but I really can't believe they weren't aware of the Les Enfants Terribles connection - the sister in the book was even named Elizabeth. "

Brant Nelson:

" The song 'The Cocteau Twins' was one they had in their live show before their first album Life In A Day. It was eventually recorded with different lyrics and the title changed to "No Cure" for Life In A Day. The music remained the same. Probably the only place the original song exists is on a live tape Robin Guthrie has, and Robin tells me that the original lyrics were about 'two gay men who were into Jean Cocteau,' thus the origin of the rumor that that's where the Cocteaus got their name, 'from two gay friends who were into Jean Cocteau,' something which Robin said himself in an interview ages ago. Well, it's true in sort of a skewed sense, but it's really that they took their name from this old unreleased Simple Minds song. "
*4ad-l discussions about Simple Minds

*4ad-l discussions about Jean Cocteau

 
Did the Cocteau Twins really record music for a Fruitopia commercial?
Yes indeed, although the commercial's only been shown in the UK. (Fruitopia, for those not in the know, is a brand of obnoxiously sugary fruit juice sold by the Coca Cola company. The ads are unintentionally hilarious pastiches of trippy rave/psychedelic imagerie and save-the-planet slogans.) Unfortunately there are no plans for the commercial to be shown elsewhere or for the music to be released separately. With luck it may show up on a b-side in a few years. Until then, you can listen to hydroallergenic on the LP Found Sound from Spooky which samples from this commercial. Simon Raymonde and Robin Guthrie have also done the music for a Volkswagon commercial, although I haven't seen that one.

 
Has Elizabeth Frazer sung solo? Collaborated with people other than the Cocteau Twins?
Yes of course, and apparently she's got a solo record done for release in 1999. She said, regarding her duets, that:
" My duets? I did Candleland with Ian Mcculloch and Primitive Painters with Felt. I would like to sing with everybody. Primitive Painters came about because I knew Lawrence. I fucking think it's...oh God! I was so young! You see, I want to get to the stage where I can really take responsibility for what I've done. I ought to be proud of that? Well...but I don't! You see, I just want it all. I want to be at my most mature at any one time, rather than in the next God knows how many years.

Someone said they could get me a duet with Van Morrison. He's an odd bugger, through! I'd be terrified of him, even though he's probably a teddy bear really! I'd love to sing with Jeff Buckley - Tim Buckley's son. He is currently making his first album, and if it's anything like a radio session I heard by him, it should be amazing. He's written this song called 'Grace', which literally makes the hair on my neck stand on end. I was sweating like a fucking June bride when I first heard him. Music has never done that to me before. "

Here's a limited discography:

This Mortal Coil
Sixteen Days, Gathering Dust (1983, from the 12'') Song to the Siren (1983, from the 7'' and It'll End in Tears) Another Day (1984, from It'll End in Tears)

Dif Juz
Love Insane (1985, from Extractions)

Felt
Primitive Painters, from Ignite the Seven Cannons album (1985) and Primitive Painters EP (1985). Also on The Day the Rain Came Down, on the EP, apparently but not easy to hear her contribution.

Craig Armstrong
This Love (1998, from The Space Between Us)

Massive Attack
Teardrop, Black Milk and Group Four, from the album Mezzanine (1998).

The Wolfgang Press
Respect, from the album The Wolfgang Press and other Tall Stories (1985). Also 'I Am the Crime', from the album Standing Up Straight (1986).

Medicine
Time Baby 3, from the EP Sounds of Medicine, which is also on the soundtrack album to the film The Crow.

Ian McCulloch
Candleland on the Candleland LP (1989) and EP (1990). The EP version is somewhat different. Also the track 'Heaven's Gate' on the Mysterio album, produced by Robin Guthrie.

Future Sound of London
Lifeforms EP (1994), but not on the LP.

Moose
A song on their Live a little love a lot album.

Fuel
Butterfly Knife on the Timeless EP.

Peace Together
Be Still on a charity record for Northern Ireland troubles.

Michael Kamen / Alan Rickman
Take Me with You from the soundtrack to the film The Winter Guest.

Simon Raymonde
Vocals on the Blame Someone Else album.

Bom
Sour Foot Dub, a b-side to their Roach 7'' single.

Thanks to Emiel Efdee and lots of other people for answering this question. Full list of contributors is in the cocteau twins archive.

*An Elizabeth Frazer discography

[Song
To The Siren]
Song To The Siren

[Extractions]
Extractions

 
There are so many Cocteau Twins and Dead Can Dance albums, where do I start?
The Dead Can Dance compilation A Passage In Time might be a good place to start, although some dislike its selection. The only Cocteau Twins compilation is The Pink Opaque, which only covers the period 1982-1984 and is also out of print and hard to find. Perhaps a good recommendation is to cite the list's collective favorites as determined by vote in 1994. Our favorite Cocteau Twins albums are Treasure and Victorialand, and our favorite Dead Can Dance albums are Within the Realm of a Dying Sun and The Serpent's Egg.

You might like to see either the Cocteau Twins and Dead Can Dance web sites for further recommendations, which have discographies, reviews and some song snippets.

*miscellaneous Cocteau Twins 4ad-l discussions

*the pink opaque 4ad-l discussions

*victorialand 4ad-l discussions

*dead can dance press release

*Cocteau Twins website

*Dead Can Dance website

[A
Passage In Time]
A Passage In Time

[The Pink
Opaque]
The Pink Opaque

 
What is the name of the hidden fifth track on the vinyl version of the Half-Life EP by Pale Saints?
It's called The Colour of the Sky. Incidentally, the reason for the unnanounced extra tracks on British singles is that the chart rules in the UK specify that a "single" can only contain four songs. (Nor may it exceed 40 minutes, which explains why the Orb's Blue Room single - with one track - clocked in at 39:58!) If a band wants to have a fifth song, without having the single considered a more expensive "mini-album", they just don't officially put it on.

*4ad-l archives: Pale Saints

[Half
Life]
Half Life

 
Who originally wrote/performed the song Blue Flower, which both Mazzy Star and Pale Saints have covered?
It was originally done in the '70s by the band Slapp Happy, written by Peter Blegvad and Anthony Moore. Julian Lawton writes: "Peter Blegvad is currently a cartoonist on the Independent On Sunday (Leviathan) - he also did solo stuff with Andy Partridge of XTC. Moore also worked as part of Faust's floating line up (or was it Amon Duul) and I think both were in Henry Cow, as well as Slaphappy. The one time I saw a Slaphappy LP it was very expensively priced in a collectors shop!!!"

If you're interested in Slapp Happy, they've recently reformed and have a new album out called ca va which has been received well. See the Wire magazine issue 170, April 1998 for example.

[Flesh Balloon]
Flesh Balloon

[She Hangs
Brightly]
She Hangs Brightly

 
How do you pronounce Miki Berenyi's name?
The singer of Lush was half-Japanese, half-Hungarian. (Her mother has a bit part as a Japanese servant in the Bond film You Only Live Twice!) "Berenyi" is a Hungarian name, and in Hungarian the 'y' is pronounced like 'j' and vice versa, so it would be pronounced like ber-REN-ji (with a hard j). It is a somewhat common name in parts of Hungary.

 
Will This Mortal Coil ever release another album?
Nope, not as This Mortal Coil, but yes, as the hope blister, Ivo-Watts Russell's new project which appears to be virtually identical to TMC. An album called ...smiles o.k. was released on 4AD on 25th May 1998 in the UK. The album is somewhat different to This Mortal Coil in that the cover versions are more modern (Cranes and Gus Gus songs mixed in with David Sylvian, for example) and Louise Rutkowski sings them all. However, there are connections to This Mortal Coil: Ivo Watts-Russell produces, Laurence o'Keefe plays guitar, Audrey Riley on Cello, and John Fryer on mixing desk. So you can breathe out now.

*4ad-l discussions on The Hope Blister

[...smiles OK]
...smiles OK

 
What's that dance song that samples This Mortal Coil's Song To the Siren (repeating the line "Did I dream you dreamed about me")?
Temple Of Dreams, by Messiah. They claim they re-recorded, not sampled, that bit...

[Song
To The Siren]
Song To The Siren

 
Who are Cindytalk and what do they sound like?
Cindytalk is Gordon Sharp's band, he having contributed vocals to the first This Mortal Coil album as well as the Cocteau Twins Peel Session that's on the 4AD CD/cassette of "Garlands".

Cindytalk sound rather different than that, and much of their output could be described as "industrial", more in the old pre-NIN sense. Very intense and very scary music that ranges from ferocious guitar grinding to spooky ambient piano, with Gordon Sharp's intense wail. If you can simultaneously like early Cocteau Twins, Throbbing Gristle, Harold Budd and the Swans, Cindytalk will be right up your alley. In This World is probably the best place to start. Their records are/have been re-released by Soleilmoon. Distributed by World Serpent Distribution in the UK.

In July 1998 Gordon Sharp has sung on a This Mortal Coil-like project called After The Flood, released on Aeterna records in Seattle. Windy and Carl, Labradford and Warren Defever also contribute to this. See the archive for more information.

*Rough Guide entry

*4AD-L archive: cindytalk

*4AD-L archive: aeterna

*4AD-L archive: world serpent

 
What about Macbeth - what's the connection between them and Cindytalk or This Mortal Coil?
Macbeth was a one-off project of Gordon Sharp's, covering the song Let Me Lift You Up. It appeared on the Volume number five compilation, which also includes the Cocteau Twin's version of frosty the snowman. Apparently Gordon was slated to perform this for This Mortal Coil but he and Ivo disagreed on musical and production style, so Gordon released his own version.

*4ad-l discussions on macbeth

[Volume 5]
Volume 5

 
What is the Infinite Guitar that Michael Brook uses?
It's listed on the albums that he released on 4AD, Colbalt Blue and Live at the Aquarium. Jeremy Orr answers this question:
"Brook invented the infinite guitar himself, probably because he loved the sound of the E-bow, which magnetically vibrates a guitar string without actually touching it (a well-known example of this sound is that high-pitched "whistling" melody line at the beginning of U2's "With Or Without You"). Perhaps he was frustrated at its relative cumbersomeness and/or because the player can only use the device on one string at a time. I believe he took a Stratocaster, removed one of the pickups, and replaced it with a pickup-sized device which works the same way as an E-bow [an extra pickup in the guitar's neck]...supposedly, there are [possibly] only three other infinite guitars in existence, which are owned by (I think) The Edge, Daniel Lanois, and Brian Eno."
[Colbalt Blue]
Colbalt Blue

[Live
at the Aquarium]
Live at the Aquarium

 
My copy of HNIA's Home Is In Your Head ends really abruptly, as though the tape ran out or something. Is this intentional?
Yes. The master tape ran out while they were recording and they liked the way it sounded.

[Home
Is In Your Head]
Home Is In Your Head

 
What are the differences between the UK and US releases of His Name is Alive's Mouth by Mouth?
Jeff Keibel compares: "When 4AD released Mouth By Mouth from His Name Is Alive in 1993, both 4AD UK and 4AD/Warner US put out the album, among other countries. What makes the 4AD UK version the preferred version is that The Homesick Waltz is included while the US version excludes it. As it was an unlisted track, and only alluded to in the UK booklet (on all three formats) in the lyrics pages, it means the back cover tracklistings are identical on both UK and US versions but that in order to get The Homesick Waltz, you must get the UK version. It represents a whole extra five minutes of playing time so it IS worth searching for. The UK vinyl has a totally unique sleeve. It's worth finding just for the fact it differs from the CD cover so much." Plus, the UK pressing might have a different version of the Dirt Eaters.
[Mouth By
Mouth]
Mouth By Mouth

 
What is ESP-Summer, ESP-Continent,... ?
ESP-Summer is an early name for a collaborative project of Ian Masters (Pale Saints, Spoonfed Hybrid) and Warren Defever (His Name is Alive). They released a tape in 1995 called ESP-Summer on Time Stereo. It's basically piano, pencil guitar and Warren's samplers, and the beautiful voice of Ian. Very minimalist. This album has been released on CD with the name of ESP Continent (Mars Is a Ten) on Karina Square in December 1995. A US domestic release came out on Perdition Plastic (May 1996), which they still had copies of mid-1998. There is also remix EP on 10" vinyl, on Farrágo Records: don't know whether that one is still available.

Time Stereo has also several other ESP-... tapes (ESP Beetles, ESP Family, Live ESP). They feature Warren but not Ian, and are quite noisy.

timeSTEREO
28143 W. 8 Mile
Livonia, Michigan
MI 48152
USA
F: (810) 473-9321
E: rec.coll@ix.netcom.com

Perdition Plastics
4216 North Damen Ave.
Chicago
IL 60618
USA
E: perditionplastics@ameritech.net

Farrágo Records
Box 13148
Houston, TX 77219
USA
E: farrago@delphi.com

Karina Square
107 rue de Javel
75015
Paris
FRANCE

*timeStereo catalogue

*Ian Masters - Institute of Spoons

 
Is M/A/R/R/S' Pump Up the Volume available on CD?
Pump Up The Volume is 4AD's only British Number 1 in the Top 40; a one-off project by members of AR Kane and Colourbox, it's popularity ensures that it's always being re-issued constantly and in many different configurations. Ralf Henneking picks up the story:

" It was originally issued by 4AD on CD in 1987 (BAD 707CD); this did not come in a jewel case but in a paper/card gate-fold sleeve with a design similar to the 12" containing the remixes (BAD 707R). It included the four tracks of the two different UK 12"s.

At about the same the Canadians issued a CD using the same packaging (4AD/VERTIGO, 870 210-2) with six tracks (five mixes of Pump, one of Anitina). The Japanese put out two versions: 4AD/COLUMBIA, 20CY-2280 with 4 tracks and 4AD/COLUMBIA, 15CY-5012 with two tracks. The former had a sleeve design similar to the UK CD issue, the latter resembled the design of the regular UK 12''. Both came in slim jewel cases and featured all the stuff that usually comes with Japanese releases.

Finally, there is the US version on 4th & BROADWAY, CCD 452; this included five tracks (four versions of Pump and one of Anitina) and came in a card sleeve using the design of the regular 12''. All these should long be deleted.

In 1993 4AD reissued the CD. This time it came in a digipak and included only three tracks (two versions of Pump, one of Anitina). This one should still be available (through 4AD's mail-order catalog if you can't find it in a store near you.) In identical form this was released in Germany (4AD/ROUGH TRADE, RTD 120.1860.3) and probably Belgium (on Play It Again Sam). France put out two versions: 4AD/VIRGIN, 922492 with two tracks in a card picture sleeve and 4.A.D/VIRGIN, 922312 with four tracks in a digipak (identical to the UK release)."

Kenneth Sooley added some information about the Canadian release in 1993: "it was also re-released in 1993 in Canada by Polygram, using the UK catalogue number. as is common with Canadian 4AD releases, the CD is manufactured in Canada, but the packaging is imported from the UK."

More re-issues of this single were done in the US after the demise of the Warner's deal mid-1998. Richard Holtzman said: "(3 tracks listed but 5 appear on the CD, different versions mixes. Remember the US version of the song is slightly different because of some sample clearance issues, I think I like the UK version better, my 2 cents)"

*4ad-l discussions on m/a/r/r/s

[Pump Up The
Volume]
Pump Up The Volume

[Pump Up
The Volume Remix]
Pump Up The Volume Remix

 
What Japanese-only 4AD releases are there?
Several compilations: the 1987 12'' compilation; Pale Saints Mrs. Dolphin; the Belly EP compilation; Lush's Superblast EP (containing two other already-released tracks); and Natures Mortes-Still Lives, the compilation from 1982 (produced for Japan with 500 imported back to the UK.) There is a Web page that describes all the Japanese 4AD releases.

*Japanese Releases

[Mrs
Dolphin]
Mrs Dolphin

[Superblast]
Superblast

 
What is on the Slowdive compilation Blue Day?
Most of the tracks from the singles (Slowdive, Morningrise, Holding Our Breath) that preceded their first album. The tracks are:

  1. Slowdive
  2. Avalyn 1
  3. Morningrise
  4. She Calls
  5. Losing Today
  6. Shine
  7. Albatross
Missing are the instrumental Avalyn 2 (essential!) and Golden Hair (yes, the James Joyce / Syd Barret song.) This disc was rereleased as a freebie included in the UK limited edition of their Souvlaki album.

*slowdive discography

*slowdive www site

[Blue Day]
Blue Day

[Souvlaki]
Souvlaki

 
Didn't some of the people in The Moon Seven Times use to be in the band Area?
Yes, Lynn Canfield (singer) and Henry Frayne (guitarist) both were in Area. Henry also has a side project called Lanterna.
*history of area and moon seven times

 
What's the difference between the Lilys and the Lillies?
The Lilys are an American band whose album In the Presence of Nothing (Slumberland/SpinArt, 1992) sounds almost more like My Bloody Valentine than MBV themselves do. (They have since changed members and sound quite different now.)

The Lillies were a one-shot band consisting of members of Lush, Moose and the Cocteau Twins, who recorded one song (an homage to their favorite football team) for a flexi in an English music magazine. For die-hard collectors only.

 
What is the name of the extra track on the Lilys' CD In the Presence of Nothing?
It's actually the second to last track, not the last one, and it's called Threw a Day. The last track is Claire Hates Me, as advertised.


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